i d ms were hired by 27 states to try and very the identity of people who were applying for unemployment benefits. That was in the midst of a huge amount of money going out from washington, being managed by these different state agencies that were overwhelmed. And also a real wave of fraud at the time, and concern about, you know, and i feel like that was such a big, big trend. Joe webber is the editor of blomburg business week magazine.

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