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308: Vivek Ramaswamy—Can You Handle the Truth

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

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The Gap Between What People Are Willing to Say in Private and What They're Won't Say in Public

There's a big gap between what people are willing to say in private and what they actually think, he says. "When I say merit, it's not a dog whistle for anything else other than unapologetic merit," Obama tells CNN. The best person is going to get the job again in this country; there's not one hierarchy of 'best,' he adds.

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