When Outcome Pricing Aligns With Scale

In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Michael Stanisz, Partner at Revenue Management Labs, the person companies call when their pricing model stops making sense. For decades, software pricing was predictable: sell more seats, add more margin. But with AI, every usage prompt has a real cost, and the old economics no longer hold. CJ and Michael dive into what happens when your product looks like software but behaves like infrastructure, how pricing power erodes as features become free, and why value-based pricing might not be as customer-friendly as it sounds. They also explore the chaos of real-world pricing: from Microsoft cloning your startup to measuring ROI when your product’s impact is undeniable but hard to prove; all wrapped in sharp insights and a few “we still run this on DOS” war stories.

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LINKS:

Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-stanisz-27418a28

Revenue Management Labs: https://revenueml.com/

CJ on X (@cjgustafson222): https://x.com/cjgustafson222

Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) Preview and Intro

(00:02:23) Sponsor – Rillet, Fidelity Private Shares, and Mercury

(00:05:27) The new economics of AI pricing

(00:07:51) When variable costs replace software margins

(00:10:30) The fall of 80% SaaS margins

(00:13:23) From premium feature to table stakes

(00:15:07) Sponsor – RightRev, Tipalti, and Aleph

(00:19:12) Spotting a feature before it becomes a commodity

(00:23:31) The real cost of switching and why stickiness matters

(00:27:46) The rise of AI white labeling

(00:30:03) Outcome-based pricing — altruism or strategy?

(00:34:22) Rewarding throughput and avoiding “tollbooth” pricing

(00:36:29) Measuring usage and why telemetry matters

(00:40:49) What makes a value exchange credible

(00:44:14) Cost avoidance vs. revenue gain

(00:46:02) The stages of pricing maturity

(00:49:49) Why startups see what big companies can’t

(00:52:09) When hype meets hard costs in AI

(00:55:17) When customers refuse to leave on-prem

(01:03:29) Credits and Sign-Off

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