Kevin Kelly: My book is so wonderful from 2016 and absolutely worthy of a rereading. The first quote I wanted to ask you about was about artificial intelligence, because, of course, chat, GPT, etc. We've already talked about this sum. And we have the first inclination to that with chat GPT and making my art. They make art that is a little bit alien. So my framing is the best way for us to think about these coming AIs.

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