The really bad climate scenarios are energy blind in they just assume that we will continue to grow at 3% this entire century. That's not going to happen. And you see as the economic pie begins to shrink around the world, you will see populist leaders like what happened last night in Italy and a couple weeks ago in Sweden. So once you understand this, this 7th stage of climate awareness is we are going to have to respond to a smaller economy,. Then suddenly when the musical chairs financial situation ends up having too many chairs, too many people versus the amount of chairs available. I still care deeply about climate change and biodiversity, but I'm trying to work looking two or three steps ahead

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