"The numbers of people who are going to be able to become AI builders is going to explode. It's gonna go from maybe a few hundred thousands or low millions… to maybe tens of millions, fifties of millions, maybe a hundred million at some point."

Clément Delangue, co-founder and CEO of Hugging Face, believes we are entering a new phase of AI – one where building models, fine-tuning systems, running local AI, and even experimenting with robotics may no longer be limited to a small technical elite.

His passion for open source is very contagious! I enjoyed chatting with him about:

Why the next wave of AI builders won't be traditional engineers – and how that could push the field beyond slop toward biology, medicine, and climate

What open source actually solves in cybersecurity – and why "safety" is often a cover story for business strategy

Why lobbying against open source in the US would be a strategic mistake that could cost the country its AI leadership

Why comparing open weights to closed APIs is irrelevant and why benchmarks miss what really matters

What Hugging Face is learning as agents become a new kind of user

How LeRobot and Reachy Mini are turning AI into something people lile

Why training, fine-tuning, and post-training on your own data are becoming the real differentiators as building apps gets trivial

What three months of paternity leave taught Clem

We also talk about fear-based AI marketing, how public perception shifts the moment people build with AI, what's missing in robotics datasets, and why Clem keeps coming back to Camus' Sisyphus as a metaphor for being a founder right now

A conversation about agency, openness, and what it means to democratize AI before it gets locked down. Watch it.

*Chapters:*

00:00 AI Builders Are About to Explode

00:35 Why Coding Agents Still Struggle with AI

02:23 100 Million AI Builders

03:30 Non-Technical People Entering AI

05:15 How Building AI Can Change Public Perception

06:22 Who Can Make AI More Open?

08:02 Fear-Based Marketing in AI

09:33 Open Source, Cybersecurity, and Risk

12:31 Why Companies Don’t Open Source

14:30 Lobbying Against Open Source

17:24 What Changed During Paternity Leave

19:11 Making Hugging Face Agent-Native

21:00 Hugging Face Robotics and LeRobot

23:01 Local AI, Open Models, and the Future

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*Guest:*

Clément Delangue, co-founder & CEO of Hugging Face

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*Projects discussed:*

ML Intern

LeRobot

SO-101 / LeRobot docs

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