i think that there's a larger obviously question right now happening which is how do we detangle the form around which we keep gathering from actually the need that we actually have? i was speaking to a woman years ago and she realized that in her family the family context was when they gathered at christmas. She didn't feel like she had different choices of what were which boundaries to draw for their rituals. We are having some existential collective fights about what is the core narrative of this country, he says.

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