Geoffrey Hinton, the 2024 Nobel laureate and AI pioneer, warns of the existential dangers of rapidly advancing artificial intelligence. In this episode Curt Jaimungal and Hinton explore the speed of AI development, consciousness, and the societal impacts of future AI systems.

- 00:00 - The Existential Threat of AI
- 01:25 - The Speed of AI Development
- 7:11 - The Nature of Subjective Experience
- 14:18 - Consciousness vs Self-Consciousness
- 23:36 - The Misunderstanding of Mental States
- 29:19 - The Chinese Room Argument
- 30:47 - The Rise of AI in China
- 37:18 - The Future of AI Development
- 40:00 - The Societal Impact of AI
- 47:02 - Understanding and Intelligence
- 1:00:47 - Predictions on Subjective Experience
- 1:05:45 - The Future Landscape of AI
- 1:10:14 - Reflections on Recognition and Impact

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RESOURCES:

- Geoffrey Hinton’s publications: https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hinton/papers.html#1983-1976
- The Economist’s several mentions of Geoffrey Hinton: https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/10/08/ai-researchers-receive-the-nobel-prize-for-physics
- https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/01/02/would-an-artificial-intelligence-bubble-be-so-bad
- https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/10/10/ai-wins-big-at-the-nobels
- https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/08/14/ai-scientists-are-producing-new-theories-of-how-the-brain-learns
- Scott Aaronson on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGCQoL2Rk&ab_channel=CurtJaimungal
- Roger Penrose on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGm505TFMbU&list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlN6E8KrxcYCWQIHg2tfkqvR&index=19
- The Emperor’s New Mind (book): https://www.amazon.com/Emperors-New-Mind-Concerning-Computers/dp/0192861980
- Daniel Dennett on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH553zzjQlI&list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlN6E8KrxcYCWQIHg2tfkqvR&index=78
- Noam Chomsky on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQuiso493ro&t=1353s&ab_channel=CurtJaimungal
- Ray Kurzweil’s books: https://www.thekurzweillibrary.com/

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