I Think He's Not an Argument Against Scientists

"I could maybe see why he would find this like kind of offensive because it's sort of like trying to arrive at spirit but without subjectivity that's right. But you know in a way he doesn't find it offensive he just thinks this is what you're doing," says the scientist. "There is something I don't know if it's social or ideological about how science has to be above and beyond all other things,” she adds. “It's totally ideological yeah."