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68. How to Begin I: Prizes & Punishments with Mark Bowden, author of ‘Truth & Lies’

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The Complexity of Punishment and Prizes

I think you've summed up quite nicely the horror of the complexity that happened within punishment and prizes. There's lots there. I mean, you gave me the language for prizes and punishments. Was that your invention? Did you come up with that or do you find a stumble across it somewhere? How did you come across that as a way of thinking about the world? Yeah. If I remember right, I came up with, well, I didn't come up with it. I first heard it from some relationship therapists. Who were basically saying, look, in any relationship you have, and I guess here you're talking about the relationship that you might have with a goal.Yeah, right

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