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12. Derren Brown — Magic, Happiness, and Skepticism

The Michael Shermer Show

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Michael Schurmer: You're here in America for your show, Secret. I want to get into the depth of that a little bit because skeptic audiences are so fond of magic and magicians. There's been this long relationship between Houdini and the debunking of phony psychics. And by the way, we're also doing this. This is our 25th anniversary of skeptic magazine. So maybe you'd like to throw in there?

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