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Kate Bowler on Shame, Productivity, and Living with Chronic Pain

Death, Sex & Money

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Is This Really Boring?

"I'm gonna be like, look, I know you asked me, but this is actually extremely boring," he says. "It suggests that this is an unrelenting, unresolvable thing. I feel so sick of myself." He adds: "If I thought I was going to end, well, I'd get in the weeds of it,. But this, it feels like a forever problem"

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