Gumbaynggirr carver Pete McCurley is back to tell a tale of surveillance and sabotage during cultural fire management events, and the way wrong story about 'nature' and 'the wild' is preventing our communities from caring for the land. We talk about our shared inquiry working with invasive species: plant, animal and human to come into good relation and balance with biocultural systems. Turns out you can carve a decent coolamon out of radiata pine...