Orpheus and the Underworld

You can see this in the andes chums. You can see them also in the platonic philosophy. And then you have a different philosophers like ermenides, going to the underworld. These are all ecstatic, experiential direct ways of engaging with external forces. So i think that's one of the missing keys in understanding astrological, astrological,. magical work. I'm taking a lot from the indian tradition, the incas, the carols am because they're really doing that kind of work.

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