This album does sound very good upper mountain. So that

might be too much spirituality. My head

that you

can never have too much spirituality. I says, the man who's let the hair grow great. You

look fantastic by the way. Thank you. You can call me Gandalf.

No way more handsome than that. But it must have been nice to also realize, and this is a genuine question because I feel like you both seem incredibly comfortable within your legacy now having made a new album that actually adds value to the legacy as opposed to constantly dancing around

it. Absolutely. And yeah, not wishing to blow our own trumpet. God, I've done enough of it. Help me out. Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's an absolute point. I mean, we, we, a great point. We didn't have to make an album. You know, in many ways everybody loves a happy ending is a good gag to go out. Yes, you know, so it's, and we had this sort of this thing from the management. You know, guys, you're a heritage act. Come on, you can, you don't have to. I'm

on a motor base. They're thinking. Do you

think? What's

it? Lazing this. Lazing this. They don't, they don't have to do the additional work in order to do the work.

So yeah, but, and it's like, again, reconnecting to your heart and you find yourself doing the same thing, needing to do them, needing to go deep down, down into the cave, down into the dungeon, yeah, fight the dragon, get the gold, come out,

bring the gold to the surface. Yeah. So you, you get the gold. You don't get the gold. Can I get off over here going through one of the last Sundays, like, like, good

day in the office. One album to rule them all. So

let's get into the future and the learning and the taking away from this now that you've been able to sack off the label, sack off the management, focus on what makes you happy, come through the other side of that. What's the fundamental learning here? What makes it work for you?

Two of us. Yeah.

I think the two of us and not listening to anyone else initially, I think that, you know, because between the two of us, we can find out if we're on the same page. Yeah. Right. Direct communication. Yeah. So you can find out if you're on the same page or not, as opposed to a third party or fourth, you know, being management company whomever, who

suggests you do something. Sounds like that got on the way.

It did. They place themselves in between you, right? So they want to be the intermediary because that's how they control the situation. Psychology of it all. Yeah. You know, so once we work out, you know, that we're in a place where we're on the same page, then it is actually very easy.

So the question is like putting aside the concept of, and maybe you will, but on this album, writing with modern writers, and that's a very personal thing. You two are writers. Mm-hmm. It's got to come from in here. But sonically, and the idea of moving in different spaces and doing different things, you're perfectly positioned because, and you've acknowledged this before, so I'll acknowledge it again. You know, you are 100% a contemporary touchstone for some of the most really innovative modern artists. Like Abel doesn't go around. You know, he's one of the greats. And I've spoken to him about you. We've had the tears for fear's conversation. So I wonder whether or not that kind of opens up the scope of what's possible now that you've been able to reunite and do what you always did best, come from inside out. What out feels like to you going

forward? What's interesting about the Abel thing? And you know, is that a question? I don't know if that was a question. I felt like a question.