Gosa: There are examples of people being able to become their own meta programmer, but they're the exception, not the rule. So it's not self help. It relies on an intervention from somebody else. The thing i want to end on is maybe not the happiest note, but that's memetic violence. That's what you're thinking ofno, wi man, you save the hardest question for last, the violence and the scapegoading the darkest one.