Ukraine's Counter-Fence Will Lead to Negotiations to End the War

Should Ukraine be more grateful to the West for its military and financial support?

After the UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said "people want to see gratitude" from Kyiv, BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera and Politico’s Lara Seligman look at the big talking point from this week’s Nato summit — and assess whether Ukraine should be pleased or disappointed by the commitments made.

And we hear from Dalia Stasevska, the Ukrainian-Finnish conductor at the first night of the BBC Proms, about why Russian musicians need to be pressured into using their platforms to criticise the war.

Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Gabriel Gatehouse. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Clare Williamson, Ivana Davidovic and Tom Smithard. The technical producer was Mike Regaard. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480