Where Have We Goed Wrong?

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You make the point that often a lot of these reforms have been, at least in principle, either about simplifying or perhaps making the system more fair. So where do you think that's gone wrong? E in this particularly, i guess, either from the perspectiveof, economically, what we're trying to do, or also actually from the kind of machinery of government. I think it's a, there's the sort of, if you like, blame on the left and the right on this. And so it's quite a complicated story, i think, in terms of, you know, where we collectively have gone wrong?

James Plunkett's new book, End State: 9 Ways Society is Broken, draws on his years working in both public policy and at the top tiers of government. A former advisor to UK prime minister Gordon Brown, his book looks at how to reboot some key ideas ranging from commerce to healthcare for a nation such as the UK in order to provide better quality of life for larger sections of society. James joins urbanist, transport and tech specialist Kat Hanna to talk about the book.

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