There's not as much willingness in general to invest in any energy companies in Europe, says Nick McGaugh. In the US, sometimes investors are looking at a European oil company and thinking, well, they're putting more effort into green initiatives than the American ones are. So on a relative basis, they think of it as a pro ESG bet rather than something that they should avoid for sustainability reasons. If they're seeing how investors reward or punish them for different levels of investment in the energy transition, that could then influence future decisions whether they bother making more investments in green energy.