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Ep. 91: Shepherd or CEO?

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The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople

I just want to thank those of you who read the pillar and listen to the pillar. We interviewed the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople this week. He's one of the most influential religious figures in the world. His beatitude is kind of a big deal. And he said rather directly that he thinks Carol should resign effectively as the patriarch of Moscow.

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