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The difference between easy and difficult beauty (w/ Chloe Cooper Jones)

How to Be a Better Human

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The Importance of Humor in Difficult Beauty

I think that you are the have like the highest level of humor, which is not to deny, but to find the acknowledgement of the pain and the suffering and also the humor and the absurdity. Those two things can coexist at the same time, which I think is kind of at the heart of this difficult beauty that we've been talking about too," she says. "It makes me feel very seen and in a way that I will stay with me for a long time"

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