DevOps Center - I'm in Setup All the Time.

"I feel like it's been dominated by sales and marketing. I feel like they haven't got, they need to, they need a knob next to their tree knob," he says. "On the other side, you got like make the platform better." 'This is not a dichotomy. We both things can be done' He adds: 'It's just, you know, relative levels.'