What is the Wendigo/Wetiko virus of extraction?

What is an eco-civilisation? What are its values and what are the frames within which it works? Why do we need it in the first place and what will the Establishment do to maintain business as usual? Most importantly, what can each of us do to live an eco-civilisation into being?

This week's guest, Jeremy Lent, explores these ideas in depth in his forthcoming book, Ecocivlization: Making a World that Works, which is due out in May of 2026. 

We've talked to Jeremy twice before, first in episode #38 about his award-winning book, The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning, and then in #102 about his second book in the series, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe.

Ecocivlisation is the third book in this trifecta and I was privileged to read the pre-proof draft, so I can tell you that it's one of the few genuinely Thrutopian books I've read. It that lays out the iniquities and downright horror of the imperial/colonial system of the Trauma culture - termed Wendigo Inc. in the book - and then brings Jeremy's trademark meticulous research and fluent prose to bear on the ways through to a system in which we all live and thrive and work towards the wellbeing of the entire ecosphere.   Given that there is such detail, I wanted to talk to Jeremy now, so that we could explore some of the foundations - the nature of the existing narratives of Business as Usual, of TINA: There is No Alternative  - and why this is so ubiquitous in spite of being self-evidently untrue.  Then I wanted to look at the broader frame of the Theory of Change proposed here so that next spring we can go into more detail ahead of the book's publication.

For those of you who don't yet know him, Jeremy was born in London, has a BA in English Literature from Cambridge University, an MBA from the University of Chicago, and was a former internet company CEO. Now, he is an author, speaker and founder of the  Deep Transformation Network, a global community exploring pathways to an ecological civilization. He is also founder of the nonprofit Liology Institute, dedicated to fostering an integrated worldview that could enable humanity to thrive sustainably on the Earth.

Jeremy's Website: https://www.jeremylent.com
Jeremy's Blog https://patternsofmeaning.com
Jeremy on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-lent-ba153017/
Jeremy's YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@JeremyLent
Deep Transformation Network https://deeptransformation.network/feed

Guardian article on global tipping point https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/13/coral-reefs-ice-sheets-amazon-rainforest-tipping-point-global-heating-scientists-report

Books
The Patterning Instinct https://www.jeremylent.com/the-patterning-instinct.html
The Web of Meaning https://www.jeremylent.com/the-web-of-meaning.html
EcoCivilization https://mhpbooks.com/books/ecocivilization

Previous Episodes
#102 - Weaving the Web of Meaning  https://accidentalgods.life/weaving-the-web-of-meaning/
#38 - Fractal Flourishing https://accidentalgods.life/fractal-flourishing/

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