Steven: I don't know if it's worth our energy as black and brown people to drag folks kicking and screaming to acknowledge some you know some of these basic facts. He says that Dan seems to be kind of flattening things out so that those that kind of racism is is the same as systemic institutional racism that has given most of the spoils to white people for hundreds of years right? Steven: You can just look past evidence like Dean A's green lays out all this history all this evidence all these facts his name and each policy this this is that, but then there's still a denial about whiteness even though we've seen how Whiteness works in many different ways.