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listening to the Jordan Harbinger Show with our guest Ed Calderon. We'll be right back. Now back to Ed Calderon on the Jordan Harbinger Show. You look at the other conflicts that we have in the world, and it's like one religion against another or religion against no religion, that kind of thing. And this is, nah, we're all under the same banner as far as that's concerned, as far as the divine is concerned, but we have different aims as far as money and politics, really, is

concerned. A dearly departed friend of mine, Jaramillo, used to say, you know, the reason why death is such a popular figure between cops and criminals in Mexico is because she's on everybody's side. She's on everybody's side in a conflict. And what better place for her to hold court than Mexico, you know? We would find alars and ritual sacrifice, like human ritual sacrifice settings, like in a lot of horrible places out there. So the occult is definitely ingrained and infused in some of the criminalities, in some of the cartel groups in Mexico at a very deep level. Do you find these shrines? What do you do? You destroy them, I assume. The army had a mandate for a long while that any Santa Muerte shrine should be destroyed. We didn't follow such a mandate because we knew that it would turn them into martyrs or it would favor them in a way if we would destroy a public shrine of some sort. You know, because people have to realize it's not just the cartels praying to Santa Muerte or the police. It's also transvestite prostitutes that work in some of the more dangerous parts of Mexico. It's also drug dealers. It's also mothers. It's also children. They're putting candles to Santa Muerte because that's what they grew up with as a faith. So it's not just a cartel thing. So if you go over and bulldoze a roadside shrine with Santa Muerte, you haven't only eliminated a faith focal point for the cartels, but also for some of the local populace, and then you are the bad guy. So again, some of these things are just logical now when I think back on them. But at the moment, you know, nobody trains us for religious or cult sensibility. They don't get a sensibility training. It's just something that comes from experience.