
327: Tony Ortega Doesn't Like Bullies Either
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
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The Evolution of Deprogramming
"I've just always been so impressed and so interested with this combination of persuasion and passion and truth seeking," he says. "Oh, by the way, how weird for you 30 years later to be writing for a sub stack at a time when big newspapers and typical media outlets are no longer giving people anything close to the whole story." He asks: "What's going on with deprogramming today? What have you seen?"
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