The default of the exponential tech, the exponential energy use and the metabolism of our system has self organized those typologies in the service of optimizing dollars or financial markers as our objective. So when we're talking about organizing towards these other purposes, right, towards a fundamentally different master, you might still have to figure out how to pay your bills, but it's not what is motivating you. Still you will need to be in coordination with other people who are similarly motivated to you, but have different capacities. Now can we come back to externalities? How to avoid externalities? Okay.

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