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I don't think I made money as a musician or a DJ. It tells like 24, 23, 24. That's pretty late at that point. If you're not making it, I would have given up. And then what did it mean to try and become a producer and DJ in the early 2000s? Yeah. The first amount of job was like, damn, this is a purpose that's meaningful. At the end of the day, these are kids that their lives are changed because I'm here. So he finally got that and then started shifting that towards his creative side. He never gave me any particularly useful creative skills. But he gave me a lot of determination and like
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