Well, listen, Al, we've gone on for a while here. And I think it's been really valuable. And we've got to keep talking. And you've got to now promote your book and your podcast.

Okay. The book is called The New Democrats and the Return to Power. I think you can still get it. You can get it on Amazon. Forward by Bill Clinton. And basically, it's the story of the development of the Democratic Leadership Council. It even goes through the Clinton years. It ends in June of 2020, when the leaders of 15 countries, including Clinton, who had all governments with the leaders who had all gotten elected on the New Democrat, their version of the New Democrat platform, which was called internationally the third way, met in Berlin, Germany. And they passed a new progressive manifesto, which had three themes, opportunity, responsibility, and community, which were the themes that we first laid out.

I heard that before. It was my favorite political slogan ever. And your podcast with

Craig Fuller? Yes, with Craig Fuller, who's a former aide to President Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush and President Bush. We do a weekly commentary on a place called, on a digital platform called The Spy. You can get it at TalbotSpy.org. And every Thursday, we do our political discussion. And we also have just launched a sub-stack website called The Political Whisperers. And again, that's available. You know, we're not as polished as Joe Klein. And we certainly don't have his discipline about getting stuff done as regularly as he does. That's the thing I always admired about you guys. You know, I've written columns all my life and I went to journalism school. But having that discipline to sit down every day and knock something out is too hard for me. But in any event, the political whispers... I'm

sorry? Not every day, but two or three times a week. Yeah, well, that's still a lot. There's an awful lot to write about these days. But anyway, Al, thanks so much for joining us. This is Joe Klein. I am the proprietor of a substack called Sanity Clause, which you can get at josephkline.substock And I hope next week or the week after, we'll locate John Ellis in the tiki bar where he's having his umbrella drink and dragoon him back into the conversation. He's coming back, though, folks. And he publishes news items and political news items. And I hope you join us next time. Thanks and bye.