
Ep193: Waking, Dreaming, Being - Dr Evan Thompson
Guru Viking Podcast
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Is There a Remedy for Suffering?
The claim that a clearer understanding of the self whichever understanding is being proposed will reduce the suffering of the individual. Having it disclosed to you immediately and experientially does not in and of itself make you a better person or an ethical person, he says. It really depends on the context like what you get up and then do in action in speech in relationship to others.
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In this episode I am once again joined by Dr Evan Thompson: Professor of Philosophy at the University of British Columbia, an Associate Member of the Department of Asian Studies and the Department of Psychology, and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada.
Dr Thompson discusses his 2014 book ‘Waking, Dreaming, Being’ and takes a deep dive into the self from the point of view of the world’s contemplative traditions as well as neuroscience and philosophy of mind.
Dr Thompson shares his life-long fasciation with the way in which consciousness and the sense of self change across different phases of the wake-sleep cycle, and challenges claims that insight into the self is a means to eliminate suffering and attain enlightenment.
Dr Thompson reveals his own deep practice of meditation, lucid dreaming, Tai Chi and Chinese energy arts, and explains how he, as both a trained skeptical philosopher and as a dedicated practitioner, approaches the religious framing of practice and related concepts such as ‘chi’ and ‘enlightenment’.
Dr Thompson also answers Youtube comments about our previous interview, including a clarification of his critique of Buddhist exceptionalism and a response to Buddhists who feel his work threatens their religious affiliation.
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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep193-waking-dreaming-being-dr-evan-thompson
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Topics include:
00:00 - Intro
01:30 - Answering Youtube comments
02:14 - ‘Why I Am Not A Buddhist’ and Bertrand Russel
04:59 - What would Bertrand Russel target today?
06:18 - The non-aligned mystic
08:15 - Does Evan meditate?
10:13 - Evan’s extensive daily qigong and tai chi practice
11:55 - Retreat practice and states of high concentration
13:00 - Why does Evan practice so diligently?
13:15 - How does Evan think about ‘chi’?
17:35 - Traps in understanding of chi
18:24 - Why does Evan still meditate if he is not a Buddhist?
20:11 - Evan’s critiques of the doctrinal framing of practices
22:25 - Response to Buddhists who are threatened by Evan’s work
25:43 - Waking, Dreaming, Being
27:28 - Fascination with how consciousness alters across the sleep-wake cycle
28:11 - Evan reflects on ‘Waking, Dreaming, Being’
29:58 - How Evan’s views on practice have evolved
31:12 - The sense of self and the experience of consciousness
32:20 - Awareness, contents of awareness, and sense of self
34:21 - Self construction in imagination, memory, and lucid dreaming
37:03 - 1st person vs 3rd person memory
38:23 - View/field dreams vs outside dreams
39:11 - The self experience in lucid dreaming and OBE’s
41:12 - Evan’s lucid dreaming practice
42:38 - Meeting the Dalai Lama and beginning to lucid dream
44:50 - The curriculum of lucid dreaming in Tibetan Buddhism
46:09 - Meditating in the dream state and Alan Wallace’s advice
48:37 - Walking through walls and transforming the dream
49:39 - Evan’s powerful tai chi dreams
50:06 - Variation in lucid dreaming talent
51:07 - What constitutes the sense of self?
52:51 - How does the self complex arise?
54:56 - Metacognition
55:33 - Mindfulness rides on social cognitive capacities
56:40 - Self understanding and claims of liberation
59:10 - The value of the Buddhist view of self
01:01:54 - The claim that insight into self reduces suffering is naive
01:04:12 - How to make the world a better place
01:04:49 - Social is crucial
01:05:57 - Hermit is a social category
01:06:31 - Recognising the value of meditation in a social context
01:09:27 - Vasubandu vs Candrakirti and Metzinger vs Thompson
01:12:32 - Evan’s upcoming projects
01:14:22 - Dying, our ultimate transformation
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Previous episode with Evan Thompson:
- www.guruviking.com/podcast/158-why-i-am-not-a-buddhist-evan-thompson
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To find out more about Evan Thompson, visit:
- https://evanthompson.me/
For more interviews, videos, and more visit:
- www.guruviking.com
Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James
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