TK: I thought the conversation was a provocative invitation to engage reality without forcing yourself to look at everything through the lens of prescription. He manages to challenge us in this way without prescribing a how to method for doing it and without prescribing this as something that you ought to do or would be better for you to do. And I just think it's fascinating. So even though this conversation might not be for you, this conversation also might be for you because it's an invitation or possibility.