The Debasement Trade Gains Acceptance

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation, we discuss whether there’s a bubble forming and where Jordi stands — bullish or bearish, we dive into the AI trade, the supply and demand imbalance driving energy and infrastructure, the growing “debasement trade” as institutions allocate to Bitcoin and gold, we explore capitalism vs. socialism, humanoid robots, and the macro forces shaping the markets today.

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Timestamps:

• 0:00 - Intro
• 0:47 - Bubble talk is dominating the market 
• 7:06 - The $7 Trillion AI infrastructure boom 
• 10:03 - Impact of AI adoption 
• 13:36 - AI job fears and market correction warnings
• 19:18 - Credit events and private credit risks
• 26:16 - Why the debasement trade is happening now: gold and bitcoin
• 39:05 - The rise of humanoid robots
• 44:06 - Outlook on compute, power, and the market