This is the second instalment of a three-part discussion. Often described as the second most powerful figure in Britain during the Blair governments, Alastair Campbell was pivotal as a strategist in leading New Labour to victory in 1997. In recent years Campbell has become a podcasting sensation as the co-host of The Rest is Politics podcast, dissecting what’s gone wrong in British politics – and more – with former Conservative Party minister Rory Stewart. For this episode, he comes to the Intelligence Squared to discuss what to do about the chaos of current British politics. Drawing on his latest book But What Can I Do? he explores what he sees as the radicalisation of the Tory party, Labour's position on Gaza, and whether Keir Starmer has what it takes to be the first Labour leader since Tony Blair to lead Labour into government.

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