"I think it's a great question and it's a very common scenario," he says. "Most lay definitions of racism involve some sort of malice or hatred ... that just doesn't permit good people to fall into that category." If you take a couple of steps back and you think about racism as just treating people differently, then more people can fall into the category, he adds.

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