Is There Any Overlap Between Heavenly and Earthly Things?

Bamon: We want to avoid the gnostic dualism of having to pick one or the other. But that, but that not going like the woman at the well, you're not going far enough with your desires. You have earthly desires, but you actually need to go further with them because there is even greater, more transcendent, even more real realities about them. So it's not either heavenly or earthly. But when all you can see is the earthly. John saine, open up your eyes, jesus may be saying, open upyour eyes to the things that art you know.