Zapper: You were one of the pioneers of remote work and at least for tech software companies. Can you tell the story of like how you ended up remote? And then I would love to talk through some of the takeaways, but hearing the story is interesting as one of the founding fathers of this culture. Zappers: It definitely was a little bit of like playing the hand or doubt sort of situation. But it's clearly way better on a day-to-day basis than just having an office.

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