Paul: I'm curious, who maybe was your radical health hero when you was coming up? Did anybody stand out that really changed your way of thinking? And maybe, maybe updated that over the time if you went down the vegan path and then came back to the animal base path. Who was a hero for Paul? Good question. He hasn't been asked this, so he'll have to think on his feet. But there are not many people in the health space that really challenged dogma.

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