I think the right sort of equilibrium for America is to look at what is in the American people's concrete and interest. And I think this and that and a willingness to reassess some of the old shibilits or the old hymnal can help us get there. We had this maximalist foreign policy that I would say has proved disastrous, but it has not served their interest.
UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Elbridge Colby, former advisor to President Trump and author of the 2018 National Defense Strategy.
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