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"We need to do a better job as Christians of talking about the body in ways that valorize creation—not just criticizing people who want to do things we think are morally wrong, but helping them understand what God made right.”

So says professor, author, and theologian Michael Horton on this episode of The Russell Moore Show. He and Moore discuss Horton’s new book, Shaman and Sage: The Roots of “Spiritual but Not Religious” in Antiquity. Their conversation explores the growing cultural attraction to Wicca, why people long for a connection to the mystical, and the goodness of our created flesh.

They talk about technological advances that attempt to transcend the body, how we arrived in a cultural moment where people are spiritual but not religious, and what it looks like to engage with people who don’t believe there are any answers to the universe.

Tune in for an episode that encourages Christians to understand how the goodness of the gospel transforms our entire beings—body and soul alike.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

• Michael Horton
• Sola Media
• White Horse Inn
• Shaman and Sage: The Roots of Spiritual but Not Religious in Antiquity by Michael Horton
• The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey with Carole C. Carlson
• The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology by Ray Kurzweil
• The Singularity Is Nearer: When We Merge with AI by Ray Kurzweil
• Transcendent ManYuval Noah Harari

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