I think it's top, I don't know, I always see it, top one, two, three, four, five on the podcast list I look at consistently consistently. The amount of kind of time and energy and resource that goes into the daily is staggering. So like every bit of it, you know, the number of producers you work on are a lot. But by the way, it's worth it from a consumer's standpoint. It is a very successful advertising vehicle.

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