LZ Granderson: I'm always really grateful to Leo. He's got a big operation now. That's one of the things I want to go see, and no friend of mine actually went out and visited and it was pretty cool. So then obviously back around then you were doing 43 folders. I'd love to talk about a little bit. LZ: Some people who have followed this stuff and gotten sick of it in particular think of productivity as this navel gazing exercise in spending your day thinking about productivity itself. It's become a kind of unproductive if you like meditation on itself. To me productivity means that, you know, you are having some degree of success in setting