Sally Kohn: Some people don't really know the US. If you follow the US for the last five decades, actually six decades from Vietnam onward, you know a lot about this that this is what happens when you have a secret intelligence unit the CIA which carries out covert operations. So we're in a kind of fantasy world right now. It's a little bit like the Wizard of Oz for those people who know that movie from 1939 I think it is when Toto pulls the curtain away from the Wizard and you see it's not really a Wizard it's some old guy speaking into a microphone.
UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Jeffrey Sachs to debate who really blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
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