When did you know that you wanted to be a doctor, and when did those first insights about disconnection start to come in more of your alopathic training? Yes, i think that i went inwith medicine with a really heavy belief system that was programmed into me very quickly. And it was in that journey, o years into clinical practice, well after my m d, didactic training, that i started to see the cracks in the asphalt, or the cracks inThe glass ceiling, of this pharmaceutical model. We're just nature. We're a part of nature and everybody around us and all living beings. And when we're disconnected from those people, we are disconnected from ourselves, which

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