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In this episode, we delve into Trump's shocking announcement to annex Gaza, aiming to develop it into the new 'Riviera of the Middle East.' We discuss the implications of this move, reactions from political figures like Netanyahu, and the possible strategic thinking behind such an audacious plan. The dialogue explores the dire conditions of Gaza, the historical context, and Trump's unique approach to international diplomacy. Tune in for a detailed analysis of how this plan could reshape Middle Eastern politics and the potential outcomes for both Israelis and Palestinians. Tags: Trump, Gaza, Middle East, Politics, Israel, Palestine, International Relations, Real Estate, Netanyahu, Diplomatic Strategy.

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Simone Collins: Yeah. Hello, Simone.

Malcolm Collins: So I, this, this for me, like waking up in terms of Trump news, I was like, wait, what? Wait, wait, wait. I'm here. Wait, what? Uh, I love the way his young press secretary has announced it.

Speaker 6: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

President Trump is an outside of the box thinker in a visionary leader who solves problems that many others, especially in this city, claim are unsolvable.

Malcolm Collins: So Trump, for those who haven't heard, has decided To announce that the U. S. is going to annex or take over not even like occupy, like he wants to own it and develop it.

Simone Collins: Yes. Gaza. This is a real estate opportunity. It's wonderful.

Malcolm Collins: He he, [00:01:00] you know, I'm just going to go through the headlines from the top of the drudge report the other day because they kind of, shocked me a bit. So we have Trump, Palestinians out of Gaza, US to seize land, Pentagon will enforce.

We will own it, Manic Dawn stuns the Middle East, New Temple on the Mount, and this is one of his staffers who was talking about building a new temple in an older speech. We'll get to this later on. I just can't imagine what it's like to be a leftist strategist right now. Where I think they keep being like, okay, he couldn't possibly do something more insane or bigger, you know, when we were reading just the other day about all the people in the federal government who are like, okay, okay, the D.

E. I. Departments. That's going to be it. That's where we draw the line. Okay. The federal grants programs. Okay. U. S. A. D. That's where we're going to draw the line. Okay the, the, the mass firings, that's where we're going to draw the line. Okay, now, oh God, Elon's [00:02:00] team has read, write access to the internal payment database.

This is definitely where we draw the line and we need to get the media freaked out about this. And now how is the media supposed to talk about anything? When Trump has decided

Simone Collins: that we're going to occupy Gaza? Flood the zone. That, their strategy is totally working.

And to understand how screwed they are, you need to look at their leadership. This is the literal elections of this last week for the DNC leadership positions. The people who, for example, decided in the last election that they weren't going to host a primary and just appoint Kamala.

So did they learn anything from this last election cycle? Let's take a look.

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Speaker: Fact is the president is Racist. Kamala Harris is a fat b***h. I'm

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And I'm a woman.

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Simone Collins: I mean, one, I love This [00:04:00] novel still novel feeling of a politician actually delivering on their promises very shortly after beginning their term in office and two, it's really hard for people to React or

Malcolm Collins: stop you when you move so fast I love how even the people who are supposed to be like supporting him like his recent chief of staff there's a picture of her like looking when he's making this announcement like Uh, and then there's, we gotta look at what Netanyahu said afterwards, which I also love, because Netanyahu has proposed nothing so, I don't know if the word we want to use is bold or insane, we'll get to the insanity of this planet in just a second.

Like, I'm a big supporter of Israel. I'm a big supporter of Trump. This is insane. I don't, I don't think he's gonna do it. I don't think he's gonna do it. I think that there's actually a strategy behind this. I don't think he's being like an idiot here. But like if if he intends to do this we need to have a conversation.

Simone Collins: Hold on, wait. No, I I think that whether you care about the well being of Palestinians and whether you care about Israel, like this [00:05:00] is, if I'm thinking about this from an agnostic perspective, I'm like, this sounds Absolutely fantastic. Gaza is a mess. It's, it's not livable there. It's not safe. It's not healthy for people to be there.

If I were there, I would not want to be there and very happily take an offer to be relocated in a newly developed area that plenty of people would be happy to fund. And start a new life. Start fresh. That sounds really, really good. And this area has just become completely toxic. And I love the idea of taking this, this, this zone.

Speaker 24: Who owns Gaza now, and how would the U. S. acquire ownership?

Speaker 6: Well, Gaza is currently run by Iranian backed terrorists in the Middle East, Hamas. Who we all agree, I think everybody in the region agrees that can no longer stand. Just look at the events of October 7th and the events since and the president again is committed to rebuilding the region for all people who want to return to it once it is no longer a demolition site and it's a place where people [00:06:00] can actually live and thrive in harmony.

Speaker 24: The President

Speaker 6: has made it clear that they need to be temporarily relocated out of Gaza for the rebuilding of this effort. Again, it's a demolition site right now. It's not a livable place for any human being. And I think it's actually quite evil to suggest that people should live in such dire conditions.

Simone Collins: Yeah, and

Malcolm Collins: I, I will note here to be on the side of this, that a lot of the people in Gaza's families are recent immigrants to the region. The number one last name in Gaza is an Egyptian last name. El massari el massari, which literally means the egyptian Is the most prevalent surname in gaza? If you're talking about the Second most prominent name in gaza. It's saleh which is Common in Egypt, where 12 percent of people have this surname the, although it is a widely new surname across the, the Arab world but the point being is that, you know, it's horrible to have to leave your, your land, but I also understand what you're saying here is like, it's also horrible what's happening there.

Like, even if I take a completely [00:07:00] neutral standpoint , is Israel just gonna leave this alone? Like, not realistically. Like, especially if you view Israel in incredibly negative terms.

Simone Collins: Just, the area hasn't been well managed. It's not It is not a thriving metropolis.

It wasn't before all of the post October 7th conflicts began, and it hasn't been since. Yeah, if you

Malcolm Collins: view it as an open air prison, then Trump's trying to do a prison break.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I, so I just see this as like, I want people to have nice places to live, and I also But we'll get to why this is.

Malcolm Collins: I hear this narrative, but realistically, I don't think these people are going to end up somewhere better.

And we're going to talk about that in a second. We're going to talk about why they might not move, but I want to talk about what Trump literally said here. Okay. So he says, we'll own it. We're going to take over that piece, develop it, and create thousands and thousands of jobs, and it will be something the entire Middle East can be proud of, Trump said of Gaza, adding that he envisioned many people, [00:08:00] quote, also Palestinians, living in the area, and said it could become the quote unquote Riviera of the Middle East.

Yeah, no, he literally

Simone Collins: said, and I don't want to be cute. I don't want to be wise. I don't want to be cute of the middle East. This could be something that could be so this could be so magnificent. But more importantly than that is that people have been absolutely destroyed that live there.

Now can live in peace in a much better situation. Trump is. In the end, a deeply empathetic person who doesn't want other people to suffer. And he also really likes pretty nice things. And he spent way more of his life as a real estate developer in Tycoon than he spent as president. So like, this is his area of expertise.

Excuse me. I don't know who you are. So hold on. What I was

Malcolm Collins: going to get to, or I've been trying to get to for a bit, is Netanyahu's response as Trump is making this. It's Netanyahu who has never proposed anything so bold. Is there, he goes, this is what they say, Netanyahu called the move something that could quote unquote change history [00:09:00] and said it was a quote unquote worthwhile proposal to explore.

He's a good politician. No, I could just imagine, you know, I don't think Trump like reviewed this with him first. I think like Netanyahu comes to the country, he's like, okay, okay, I'm gonna do a series of meetings. And Trump's like, let's

Simone Collins: all give up! And Netanyahu's like,

Malcolm Collins: wait, what? Uh, That's a worthwhile idea that we should explore fully.

Um, uh, but I, I Literally think that's what happened. I don't think that Trump like, okay, this was Netanyahu at all. Well,

Simone Collins: but that's, so Trump Is a businessman. He thinks on the fly. He uses his intuition and yeah, he is an actual out of the box thinker. I'm sure he's just thinking like, but I love, I love that because there's so much in, in politics and conflict, like.

Very slow, [00:10:00] incremental thought and progress when I would love more people to be asking, why not? Why not? Why not turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East?

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I could get to the reasons, but like, okay, let's talk about where he wants to send these people, right? He said, you have to Jordan. Jordan is definitely not going to take them because the last time Jordan took Palestinian refugees are not even refugees, immigrants.

They tried to take over the country and killed a bunch of people and tried to murder the entire Royal family. So I can understand why they're a little hesitant to pull that game again. I mean, you didn't

Simone Collins: go

Malcolm Collins: to Haiti. They can rebuild.

Simone Collins: So Haiti needs redevelopment capital, right? And there aren't that many people in

Malcolm Collins: Haiti.

Then pay Haiti a stipend for taking

Simone Collins: them. All this room. Just hear me out, okay? Like, so, Haiti, with better governance And better development could be the Dominican Republic, which is a beautiful resort, like they're the same island. You go to one and there are people at like, wonderful, beautiful [00:11:00] resorts, and then you go to the other half and it's all deforested and it's been ruined by poor governance.

Both the Haitians and the people of Gaza if they can learn how to live peacefully together. Well, for

Malcolm Collins: governments and payments to the French for the slaves that they had to pay for and were usurously taxed for by the French. Right, I mean, you sort of have to like, own the debt. Start from a blank

Simone Collins: slate.

Let's blank slate Haiti. But develop it to And Chase,

Malcolm Collins: I think, owns it too.

Simone Collins: Then you can have the Riviera of The Caribbean, and you can have the Riviera

Malcolm Collins: in the Middle East. I don't think Trump is serious about any of this, and I want to get to what I think he's actually doing here. Okay, yeah,

Simone Collins: yeah, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So what are other recent statements Trump has made about the area, okay? So, he said Trump urged Israel to, quote, Get it over with, let's get back to peace, and stop killing people, end quote. Emphasizing the need for a swift conclusion to the conflict, and this was very recently. So relatable. My guess is what is happening [00:12:00] here is, and say it with me because I mentioned it, I said that this is what he was doing with Canada and Mexico and everyone was like, whoa, the trade war, trade war is immediately over.

Mexico has said, okay, we'll put 10, 000 troops on the border to stop fentanyl coming over. Canada appointed a whole czar. To work on the issue of illegal immigration coming in from their border region and to deal with the cartels that had begun to infiltrate their country, arguably to a much lower extent.

It was weird to put Mexico and Canada in the same bucket there, but like, I get it from a Trump battle optics perspective. But what he's doing here is anchoring. He is trying to re anchor expectations. And right now. There is an opportunity for peace in the region, but the opportunity for peace in a region requires both sides feeling like they're giving up a lot from what they would have expected getting.

And the Biden administration had anchored the [00:13:00] Palestinian side of this particular debate to a position that was just completely unrealistic.

Simone Collins: It was impossible. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And it was, it was honestly close to what a real solution will look, but that's a problem because if you anchor them close to a real solution, then they're going to want significantly more than that.

And it's why we haven't seen a resolution to this conflict. And this is a true for the other power players in the region, whether you're talking about Saudi Arabia, which we'll get to in a bit, whether you're talking about you know, the UAE. All of them are like, okay, what can we get this like 25 percent more?

Because this is the way everybody thinks in a negotiation. Then like the default offer on the tape. Right. And the, and, and that was unrealistic because the default offer on the table was the, the, the not release of all the hostages and normalization of relationships, like that's obviously not going to sit with the Israelis.

Right. And you need a deal that works whether or not you. care about the Israelis or the Gazans. You [00:14:00] need a deal that works with both people. And we were nowhere close to such a deal. What Trump did with this and keep in mind, the Israelis have more power right now in regards to this particular conflict.

You can't push them off or kick them off a very easily from this position. You know, any people can be like, well, it's the same with the Gazans. You know, they can. No, I mean, realistically, the Gazans don't have the The the weapons or the aid or the economy to hold on to their land in the way that the Israelis do if I'm just being completely neutral and pragmatic and ruthless here, yeah,

Simone Collins: looking at the resources of both sides.

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Malcolm Collins: yes, and so what Trump is doing here is he is attempting to reset the conversation in a way where peace can realistically be achieved because now everyone's going to be. Excited about something that isn't this insane idea that trump proposed or seems to be pushing in their minds and one of the things that we also need to keep in mind is like, why don't.

Other Muslim countries, like if they care about them so [00:15:00] much, why don't they take the refugees if they've got this giant border? Because remember, if this is an open air prison, well, one of the walls of that prison is along Egypt, not just along Israel, right? So why has Egypt put a quote unquote wall there to create this prison?

It's because they don't want them in their country. Either. And I think fixing that is honestly, and I think Trump is, is right in this is the easier battle to win than normalization of the relationships with Israel. And I do think that he has a secondary potential plan here. Who knows where he might be expecting Israel to handle this.

And I think another thing he's trying to do is normalize this kind of talk within Israeli politics so that it can begin to, again, get to a realistic deal that's going to work for the people of Israel. And a lot of people in Israeli politics have been you see this position was common on like the extreme right in Israel, but not anywhere in like mainstream politics.

And now that. it's going to become more normalized as in mainstream politics, which again, as Simone [00:16:00] said, if what you care about is peace, you're not going to get a peace that looks anything like what the Biden administration was pushing. That's just completely unrealistic and will lead to war again in the near future.

Simone Collins: is not peace. And anything being suggested now, aside from what Trump is suggesting is.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, and I will, there was a really interesting change in statistics before we go into like the, the, because I want to get into a lot of the news and news of this.

Remember how 75 percent of Palestinians backed the October 7th attacks.

This is on December. 2023. Yeah, this number has been dropping precipitously as the war has continued by September 2024. It had dropped to 64%. And in the most recent poll This was September 20 24. So I guess later in September it showed a further decline with only 39% of Gazen still supporting the attack that was dropping from 75%.

Keep in mind that that number now is almost as low as the number of Germans who [00:17:00] supported the Nazis, which was 37.3% compared to 39% of Gazen who support the September. So they're getting back

Simone Collins: to Nazi Germany level and not insane.

Malcolm Collins: Well, not in, yeah, and, and, and, and 57 percent of respondents in Gaza now consider the attack the wrong decision.

Well,

Simone Collins: considering what happened on all sides involved, it seems reasonable. Yeah. But I mean, if anything, it happened, there's no one doing it. It would be wonderful if this could be a forcing function. I mean, I agree with you. I think that what Trump is doing Is one actually being creative, and I think genuinely he would love for this to actually happen, but I think he knows that it's unlikely to actually happen, but he'd love the idea.

He's a real estate developer. Like I said, like he, this is his thing.

Malcolm Collins: He wants to, he wants to find a cheap way to get this land that he's really, I promise you there is a part of his mind. That absolutely is planning to attempt to develop the Riviera of the Middle East in Gaza. Well, but he

Simone Collins: loves doing [00:18:00] that.

Malcolm Collins: It's fun for him. And he's imagining the golf courses. He's imagining the shiny golden towers. Yes, he's no, I do not. I agree

Simone Collins: with you and think that, well, he would love to do that. And he's not joking about being like, this would be awesome. He, he understands that he's moving the Overton window, and this

Malcolm Collins: is, there is a

Simone Collins: pattern that's starting to form, you know, with his threatened tariffs with everything else he threatens something pretty extreme, the other side puffs up their chest as well, and then productive conversations start.

And things deescalate, but also actual change begins to take place. And I think that that's the important thing that we're looking at here is Trump is using a, his out of the box thinking and creativity to spark productive conversation because he. Well, when

Malcolm Collins: you're dealing with strongmen, don't act like a pussy.

Like that's like the number one first rule of dealing with strongmen is don't approach the negotiation table acting like a pussy and trying to be [00:19:00] reconciliatory. Yeah. Or you're not going to get a solution that brings peace to the people of the strongman because you almost always will care more about the wellbeing of the people of the strongman than the strongman will.

And I want to go over to Trump's actual words here. So he said. Why would they want to return? The place has been hell. And then a reporter shouts, Because it's their home, sir. Why would they leave? And then he responds, It's been one of the meanest, toughest places on earth. And right now, I've seen every picture from every angle.

Better than if I were there. And nobody can live there. You can't live there. And then later that day, he said that we should take over and transform it into the Riviera of the Middle East. Now, Egypt, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Palestinian leaders have recently rejected the idea.

Yeah, rejected the idea, putting it mildly. They point out specifically, That this could lead to security risks and instability, as I have pointed out you know, they're dealing with their own issues and they are right. Letting [00:20:00] Goins into your country leads to you, you know, historically speaking, being targeted to be killed.

I understand why there would be fear around this, and keep in mind that others middle Eastern countries are going to. Put a target on you if you do this as well, because, oh, we like the Gaza people acting as sort of a pawn in this political game and being a thorn in Israel's side,

Simone Collins: and if you

Malcolm Collins: remove the thorn from Israel you know, that scene is, is capitulating to them.

I'd also note here, people are like, why do you you know, not support a hundred billion dollars being given to Africa to lower the amount of aid, but are okay with like the one billion dollars that so far Trump has given Israel in like military aid? And I think I said it was the, are the people of Africa going to have any long term care for America or any appreciation for this, these programs?

No, they'll just say we were trying to scramble their genes or something. That's what a lot of leaders say, or it's poisoned or. You know, you see this repeatedly, like they, we give them like GMO grain and they let it rot because they think it's [00:21:00] gonna, you know, and I get it. Like, why trust the United States on this stuff?

Yeah. Israel can have a different relationship and they will continue to appreciate the United States long into the future in this matter, if you look at it. I

Simone Collins: think a key difference that's deeper in your philosophy here is there's consensual aid versus non consensual aid.

Malcolm Collins: And well, I mean, the people want this aid, but the point being is that the, the people of Israel are high tech and high fertility.

They're the only group on earth that fits that. That means that geopolitically, they are the most important group globally right now to build a long term alliance with if you care about your own people. Well, in

Simone Collins: contrast, a lot of the groups in Africa, for example who are actually the recipients of the aid.

Don't trust it. Never asked for it. Don't want it. And often don't use it. So,

Malcolm Collins: yeah,

And I love when people are like, oh, Jews have a short memory. Oh, Jews, they won't appreciate favors you do or remember slights. Meanwhile, , Jewish religious [00:22:00] texts be like,

Speaker 26: Our enemies cowards, hiding in the deepest, darkest places.

Speaker 27: Fools.

Speaker 26: Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us. Page after page. One wrong put right. But the great book of grudges remains full.

They unironically

Hold a grudge against civilizations that haven't existed for thousands of years.

Malcolm Collins: yeah. And so, Trump's idea. So to get back to the text here, Trump's idea of a U. S. takeover of Gaza Strip comes at a highly sensitive moment and risks overshadowing the U. S. priorities in the Middle East. And now it points out that we're in the middle of a fragile six week ceasefire fire in which mediators are set to begin talks towards [00:23:00] a lasting peace.

The U. S. and Israel were also weighing whether to use force to stop Iran's advancing nuclear program. And hope for a normalization deal for Saudi Arabia into a broader regional alliance. Now Saudi Arabia is like, Oh my God, we cannot normalize anything. If you go ahead with this you know, we viewed Palestinian statehood as being part of the normalization talks.

And I think that again, this is about anchoring. I do not think that this is a position that Trump's going to hold to. And you can even hold me to this. I will say that if Trump actually holds to this position and attempts to send like US troops to Gaza to occupy the region, one, you can say I was foolish.

I didn't understand how Trump thinks or acts. I, was wrong in supporting him in this particular endeavor. And I made a massive miscalculation in understanding Trump. However, I do not think that that's, what's going to happen. I think that this is going to make a deal much more likely. And keep in mind, if a deal [00:24:00] does come.

Whether it's with Saudi Arabia or with, with Gaza, this is a deal that Biden administration was unable to create. Okay, so for all of you who are like, oh, I care about the people of Gaza, like, well, Biden didn't bring them peace. In fact, the war started under his watch. He didn't, he didn't bring Saudi Arabia to the table and the way that Trump had before this.

And I, and I do expect Trump to probably get some sort of deal ironed out with them. So, you know, you can't criticize his negotiating ability if it leads to desired outcomes. And here I'll also note, we have a whole other episode on this, but I just want to briefly note this. It's people like, why do you get into politics?

Why do you support Trump? And it's similar to what I was saying earlier. It's like, as a political commentator, I can be the pussy who says, I don't support anyone. Everyone's a bad guy. I'll turn on anyone the moment I disagree with them. But that's not loyalty. Like if you're like, I support the King so long as he does exactly what I want him to do.

That's not loyalty. You know, I'm telling you the public. I think, and I, you know, said this leading [00:25:00] up to the election. If you elect Trump, I think good things will happen for the world. And that's me like making a political investment, almost like a bet, which should reflect on me if I turn out to have made a wrong investment, if Trump literally attempts to occupy Gaza.

I made a wrong investment. At least by my current understanding, I could turn out that Trump is accurate in his attempt to do this. And it does turn out peaceful. I just do not predict that right now. Like that's another political bet that I'm making that I don't think but I do not think that that's what he plans to do.

Now I would also note here, Israel and Hamas recently agreed for 33 hostages in Gaza for hundreds. Of palestinians you know, it shows how much each side values their individual people and Sorry, I want to say, Yeah, we got the jordan guys saying i'm not going to take people. Oh, I thought this was really interesting So, you know as i've mentioned jordan It's existential to them to take these people, and if they do take these people, they're not going to be kept in good conditions, given what happened the last time Jordan [00:26:00] tried to integrate a population from Gaza.

But, I thought this was really interesting, Jordan, a historic ally of the United States, and one of the largest aid recipients, with a yearly 1. 4 billion aid package, has seemingly been exempted from Trump's 90 day aid freeze.

Simone Collins: Huh, well that's interesting.

Malcolm Collins: And some people are calling this, and specifically some people, French newspapers I read were calling this, economic blackmail to try to force Jordan to take this.

And I'm like, wait, how, how entitled do you have to be to call this blackmail? We are giving them billions of dollars every year, and it's blackmail to say, hey, we might stop giving you that money if you don't try to create peace in your region. Like, how are they creating peace in their region by saying, no, the Gazans need to stay in Gaza even though they recently attacked, you know, Israel and somehow, and, and have Israelis as hostage right now and, and, and create some, how is that supposed to work, right?

That's not [00:27:00] creating peace in the region. That's just insisting on a status quo, which led to the war to begin with. Like, presumably, and I think that this is the thing that you really pushed at the beginning of this. Presumably, nobody wants the previous status quo.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: because

Simone Collins: it

Malcolm Collins: wasn't good for

Simone Collins: anyone.

Malcolm Collins: So if you don't want the previous status quo, other than from the river to the sea, other than getting rid of the Jews, which, you know, some people think is an acceptable response. I do not. What are you gonna do? And I think that Trump has promoted a out there idea, but it's definitely one that starts the conversation, as you could say.

Now I want to get to something else that people were talking about here. Do you have any thoughts on Jordan before I go further?

Simone Collins: I don't know. I, I think when it comes to people who are presently in Gaza who need to be somewhere else, Jordan doesn't seem to be a solution. I don't know where is the solution.

I almost feel like a distributed. [00:28:00] Program.

Malcolm Collins: My plan.

Simone Collins: What was your plan?

Malcolm Collins: All to Germany. Germany will take him two for one. People wonder why I have such hostility to Germany. They they they do outlaw me for existing because my jeans aren't pure enough. My Children's jeans. They hate that we dirty the genetic Cool with science.

And they believe that humans should be kept genetically pure, and they're against all human selection. Ev even for gender, which is something that we perform for religious reasons with all of our kids. So, yeah, I mean, I might not care so much just ship 'em, ship 'em up to Germany.

Simone Collins: I, that's my, I I really want an I and I think Trump does too.

I really think he wants. He wants Palestinians to end up somewhere good and to be living a better life and to be living in good conditions. He wants everyone to be living in good conditions. He wants everything to look good. Germany would take them

Malcolm Collins: and put them in good conditions. It would be fine for like a generation.

For a generation, yeah.

Simone Collins: Germany's not Doing great. Although [00:29:00] yeah, I guess you're up. They've got to

Malcolm Collins: replace all their old people. The population is really young like Germany How are they gonna handle all their retirees

Simone Collins: there? Okay. Well, maybe maybe German.

Malcolm Collins: I love your like no, but okay So realistically, where do you move them?

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Malcolm Collins: I think Haiti is actually an interesting idea If you do that along with some Haiti, we're

Simone Collins: like a sort of blank slate. We are going to make this one of [00:30:00] the I know we don't have control over Haiti. I get that, people. I know Haiti is not part of the United States, but let's just say Haiti, like, makes a city state that Outsiders with really innovative work

Malcolm Collins: with Haiti.

There's tons

Simone Collins: of outside investment. And the one condition is that in this new hugely invested in city state, Haitians need to be given you know, a great place to live as do refugees from Gaza. And then they are the workers that make up. The purpose of this new

Malcolm Collins: you commit to funding. You commit to funding.

So first of all, you don't have the U. S. Fund. This you have Israel fund. This is real pays Haiti to set this up. Israel pays to Haiti to make this happen. And then you work with Middle Eastern powers or you have Israel pay Middle Eastern powers to set up a permanent military presence in Haiti to stop the, because right now, Haiti is just a nightmarish place to be living,

To, to [00:31:00] try to be entirely

Simone Collins: rebuilt and entirely we governed what's the name of the person leading it right now?

Malcolm Collins: Barbecue. Yeah. But hold on. I want to talk about this, this accusation that the judge administer report, which I mentioned earlier was saying Trump's nominee for Pentagon chief suggests new temple could be built on temple Mount. So what he said actually was there's no reason why the miracle of a reestablishment of the temple on the temple Mount is not possible.

He said, I don't know how it would happen. You don't know how it would happen, but I know that it could happen. He added. So this is like an out there saying he's not really pushing for this. I'd also note here where I was talking about the Elon team and like them wanting to be freaking out about this, but they're so focused on Gaza right now.

Yeah. So a quote from that recently was two of these sources say that. Eliza's privileges include the ability to not just read, but also write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the U. S. Government, the payment automation system, Pam and the security [00:32:00] payment system. S. P. S. At the Bureau of Financial Services.

B. F. S. Housed on top secret mainframes. These systems control on a granular level. The government payments and in their totality amount to more than a Fifth of the U. S. Economy.

Simone Collins: I mean, I'm glad when I saw when I saw that he's able to that he's actually making changes to this.

He's making like a major changes. And when is the last time that you've interacted with the government website or piece of government tech? It is old. It is very poorly built. It's built by RFP in most cases. It's, it is just like really, really, really not well.

Malcolm Collins: And everyone's like panicking. Cause they're like, nobody knows how to program this.

Like, it's not just, you need to be a cobalt engineer, a cobalt engineer who has experience with these old government systems. And you got, you know, like we, we mentioned on the last episode of somebody was like an experience of like, undeciphering, like. Greek scrolls that had been burned [00:33:00] in a fire in Pompeii.

Yeah, can you imagine a better person? Yeah, trying to decipher these old systems, but this idea of what is even more horrifying than what Elon's team is doing is this idea of just letting everyone who knows how to program these systems die and hope that they like stay operational. It reminds me of one of those scifi's where they're like worshiping some old technology that no one knows how to use.

That makes their food, or something. If we now are at the generation where we can fix this, before we end up worshiping a technology that no one knows how to use. Maybe what they're doing is the right thing to be doing, even if it breaks some things temporarily?

Simone Collins: It is wonderful. It is absolutely wonderful.

But,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I've tried to be as, oh, anyway, you were saying something? No, no, no, go ahead. Well, no, people love to hear your thoughts. I want to hear more of your thoughts.

Simone Collins: I think you aren't even getting, giving the Trump administration enough credit for, for what they're doing and for being, no, no, no, but [00:34:00] like being violently creative is a really good idea.

And I think it's one of the reasons why even in his first administration, even when he tried to play nice and play along with everyone else. Trump still did so well with foreign policy because he just walked into rooms. It was like, Hey, let's solve this problem. When before it was turning Gaza into a golf course, it was kind of like dating in Japan versus like dating in.

I don't know the 1950s United States where like in Japan, you know, you have to have your friends talk to each other and then they like, maybe, you know, they, they come back to you and maybe you'll all go on a group date together. But like, it's not really clear you're on a date. And all these things have to happen and kind of nothing really gets done.

Versus in the U S like in the 1950s ish, at least among some mainstream cultures, it was just like, Hey, you know, can I take you out to dinner? You know, can, can we just, and just like, Oh, they, they got things done and then they got married and they had kids and they, they did things with their lives. And [00:35:00] that's what Trump does.

And I got him in a lot of trouble in the first administration because he kept saying stuff really directly and trying to solve problems. And people actively tried to stymie him. What we're seeing now is he's proposing things. Except this time he's gutted out a lot of the infrastructure that used to just stop this from happening.

I, I think that there's a lot to be said for James. Oh, you bet your dad would

Malcolm Collins: be funding stuff to try to talk about how bad this is. Anyway, continue.

Simone Collins: I mean, but probably, there's just a whole lot that could probably just be solved with a, a very, very little money and with very, very little time without the bureaucratic tumors that have formed around government over the past 200 years.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, Simone, I don't know if you, if you saw this, by the way, with the USAID story we did, where we talked about someone we know who was creating reports that no one was reading. After we did this, we had multiple friends, none [00:36:00] of them, the person you were talking about, reach out to us and say, why did you like talk about me?

And we were like, Actually, I had no idea you did that for USAID. Is this like a common thing among our friend group, like writing reports for USAID that no one ever is going to read? Yeah, that actually,

Simone Collins: that, that really surprised me. Yeah. Yeah, there, yeah. I was like, you know, we never

Malcolm Collins: talked to you about your job.

Like, is this, is this that common? I love that this is like a fear that like so many people had. It's like,

Simone Collins: well, yeah, that, that is interesting. Yeah. That like, they would think that because. All of the people that reached out, we hadn't even talked about them, I think, ever working at USAID. Yeah, but now I know there's

Malcolm Collins: this constant fear of maybe everyone who's ever touched USAID, that I did stuff that I know made absolutely no difference and was paid a lot of money for it.

Simone Collins: Yeah, the realization of like, no, you don't talk about it. Don't mention it. It's like that bit with the husband who's like, Listen, I'm afraid to like mention it, but there's this, this fairy that just cleans up at night [00:37:00] and I just don't, I don't want to jinx it, you know, like the money

Malcolm Collins: fairy just comes to

Simone Collins: me.

I just, yeah, I just, I leave the socks on the floor and in the morning they're up and like with USA, it's like, I don't want to jinx it, but there's this organization of the U S government reports that no

Malcolm Collins: one reads and they

Simone Collins: just like research stuff that you're interested in and like write up your, you know, interest report and.

And

if you're part

Malcolm Collins: of the Democratic apparatus, the part of the deep state, you get the no, but I, I, I think that to the issue in Gaza, here is my larger. If you want to say, why isn't Trump doing things the way that the Biden administration was doing things? They quote unquote, normal way, the quote unquote approved way, because it wasn't getting them anywhere.

The, the best case scenario for what Biden was unable to even achieve was a normalization of the previous status quo, which everyone agreed was horrible.

Simone Collins: Well, and how do people think [00:38:00] diplomacy used to work? I mean, it was Benjamin Franklin and John Adams just hanging out in Versailles getting drunk with the royal court being like, Hey guys, maybe let's let's talk about something here.

What Trump was doing is what our founding fathers

Malcolm Collins: did. Why are they so mad at Trump for, for, for doing something other than what Biden did and what Biden was doing wasn't working and the best case outcome was a normalization of the previous status quo.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Why is it that considered like the gold standard here and Trump is considered the crazy person.

And

Simone Collins: why are people willing to accept any proposed solution that allows for the continuation of humanitarian crises? I am super not okay with what's happening on either side. What happened on October 7th was. Unspeakably horrible and what has happened to people in Gaza in Palestine is unspeakably horrible.

I mean, Trump literally looks at the pictures and the videos, parts of, of Gaza and is like, it's, it's a living hell and no one can live here. [00:39:00] And guess what? Actually, people are living there. And he can't even imagine this is like, to him, it's, it's. It's just pure rubble, it's unlivable, it's impossible, and I, I agree this is not tolerable and it needs to be fixed and he cares about fixing things.

He really, really does.

Malcolm Collins: And so, I think that as crazy as this sounds, I do hope it will move us towards the right outcome. But again, here is me making like a political or future bet. I think Trump will find solutions in the region that Biden was unable to find because he is willing to talk and do things like this.

And I could be wrong about that and it could escalate and get worse. Because of Trump. And if I am wrong, then here you look, I was wrong about this. This could be a long game

Simone Collins: thing. This could be just like, wait a little longer for demographic collapse to play out and America will just demographic collapse won't play out in

Malcolm Collins: Gaza.

Simone Collins: No, I, I get that. But I'm, I'm thinking about other territories that we've talked about [00:40:00] taking. You know, America will just, basically, Panama will beg America to Well, no, with

Malcolm Collins: Gaza, the goal is don't interfere, don't get involved, let Israel handle it, reset the Overton window. That's what he's doing. I get that, but I

Simone Collins: also, I'm also kind of like, well, I guess colonies never really worked that well.

I guess if you were French, if you were British, they worked out pretty well, actually. But part of me imagines a post International trade collapse as described by Peter Zeihan and the end of the world is just the beginning, you know, like basically world trade kind of stops working because America stops policing the seas in that kind of world.

I could see countries being like, you know what, I would love to be an American protectorate because that's the only way I'm going to have enough trade to support my economy. And like, keep the lights on for my people.

Malcolm Collins: So I can totally see that. Yeah, I can totally see that. And what I'm also [00:41:00] thinking here is,

Simone Collins: is this Trump expansionism, this, this renewed manifest testing is kind of something that like, it's just a matter of time.

Just wait, they will come to you. You don't even have to worry about it. But Trump in a way is already sort of starting the process by suggesting things like this in the first place. So, yeah, I guess there's multiple ways in which the Overton window is being shifted. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And when he starts wasting money on stuff like this, that's when I'm going to get upset.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Beyond

Malcolm Collins: the existing and, and, and, and, and pre laid out the payments to Israel by Biden administration or I should say the

Simone Collins: bad deal. He didn't come on.

Malcolm Collins: He hates it. The point I'm making is I'm saying when extra money starts being spent, that's when I get mad beyond what Kamala's administration, because let's be honest, Biden wasn't really running anything anymore, was already paying out to Israel in the region you know, at least 50 [00:42:00] million for condoms in, in Gaza Trump's seeming is very

Simone Collins: consistent is, and this is true.

Like in his real estate history as well, you know, with his use of debt is. I'm going to build this big, beautiful thing, and someone else is going to pay for it. And sometimes that's a lender, or sometimes it's a beautiful model, and Mexico's going to you

Malcolm Collins: think he's going to end up getting roped into, to Gaza?

Do you think he's going to end up getting roped into, like, spending a bunch of money and handling Gaza? No, I

Simone Collins: don't. No, because he hates that. He doesn't want To be on the hook to spend for anything

Malcolm Collins: that's not the way the wall the first time. No,

Simone Collins: it's yeah. Well, yeah, that that, but I mean, I don't think in the end it was who's paying for the wall.

That was a big problem. It was just a whole bunch of bureaucratic morass that slowed him down and made everything way more expensive than it should have been.

Malcolm Collins: Don't build it until they pay for it. Okay.

Simone Collins: Yes, yes, but I mean, he's come on your first time around being president, especially with a very hostile

Malcolm Collins: world.

All right, Simone, very spicy conversation. We're definitely going [00:43:00] to get in trouble for this 1. I've tried to be way less opinionated than my other talks about Israel on this 1. you know, we're. We're trying to say, you know, whatever side you support, you've got to be realistic. We're not going to get Israel out of Israel, right?

So, you need a solution that doesn't involve killing all the Jews. Like I understand that that's like somehow like the default progressive response. Well, could we could kill all the Jews? It's like, well, maybe um, or we could make all of the Jews move. And it's like, well, they have a lot more guns. I think that that.

Might not be a realistic solution. So let's try to fix things for the people of Gaza right now. Okay.

But anyway, love you to death the mom,

Simone Collins: love you too.

Speaker 31: In Gaza's land where palm trees sway, Trump's got a plan to save the day. With golden towers touching skies, A billionaire's paradise does [00:44:00] arise. Gaza's the new Riviera, oh, oh, what a sight. Gold towers shining day and night. Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump's dream land by the sea. Seaside, the beaches glow with golden sand, the finest golf course in the land.

Caddies and suits with perfect flair, all par for the course in luxury's lair. Gaza's the new Riviera, oh what a sight. Gold towers shining, baby. The night stretching by the seaside, [00:45:00] a five star hotel where camels roam with golden chandeliers in every home piece talks on the 18 hole diplomacy with the golfing.

Oh, what a sight. Gold towers shining day and night. Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump's dreamland by the seaside. So here's to Gaza, a brand new face. In Trump's world where golden dreams blaze. A Riviera shining bright. A site to see where golf and grandeur make [00:46:00] history.

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