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Clay Jenkinson, I'm Going to Give You the Last Word.
Joseph Ellis: The people who attacked the Capitol on January 6th, almost all of them felt that they were American patriots. Clay Jenkinson: Jefferson said in letters about the Shays rebellion, he said, let's not punish them too severely. Joseph Ellis: There is no really good or great biography of Henry Lawrence. He doesn't make the top tier with Jefferson and Adams,. Washington and Madison and Franklin and Hamilton. We'll be back in just a moment.