Pandemic was a 'totally flipping point' for Rory, he says. He had been reading coincidentally about the effects that pandemics tended to have on behaviour. We assume we've completely forgotten the kind of things that would happen. Gavin Newsom was up in French ill-adri having like dinner parties and you're like, wait a second. That's what I knew. This is people being, this is their chance at authoritarianism. And given a chance, some people will take that authoritarian, that authoritarian stick and swing it. The failure to spot that it was airborne was also interesting because I had early on in the pandemic as a little bit of a kind

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