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381: Fighting The Odds and Trauma, With Kelsi Sheren.
Jocko Podcast
The Best of Both Worlds
"Being on the other side of it was wild too, because that is truly terrifying to be underneath. Indirect fire is a horror when you're on the receiving side," he says. "I don't know what I expected or thought it would be like, because I think the goal for me would ultimately be a few."
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