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So where we left off, Dr. Jackson was telling us the story of how he and his team got to study the shroud before it was put back into its reliquary. Finally

it arrived, we set it up and then we started to get ready to execute. Now, this other problem that I told you about, if there's any problem about our academic freedom to withdraw our own scientific conclusions and not having the church get in the way of that, we would refuse to do the testing. Well, as it happened, I suddenly was presented with a letter saying exactly that, that you have to agree to let all the scientific data stay there in turn when you guys go back, and we're going to make decisions about what data you're going to get to study effectively. And I was presenting this with the Cardinal's science representative. It's like, oh geez, we're in a tight position. So what I said was, oh, this is not necessary. I was bluffing, really. This is not necessary. We have a signed agreement that we're going to have a confidentiality agreement for three years while we do the testing.