The Story of Courage

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Zelinsky is one of the most convincing politicians, I don't feel like they're arguing a point. He's bringing the story of Ukrainian suffering to life and making us see the behavior of the Russians that is moving opinion around the world. The idea that President Zelinsky stayed in Kiev in the early days of war on everybody, from his inner circle to the U.S., everyone was telling him he would leave. And he didn't. From foolishness or from heroism, I don’t know. But if that's a story that I think united a country, and it's such a small thing, but it's powerful. It's the most basic of all human stories

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(00:00) – Introduction
(06:45) – Revolutions and governments
(24:23) – American Civil War
(33:35) – Lincoln and election of 1860
(37:25) – Slavery
(50:35) – Freedom of speech
(1:02:17) – Death toll of the Civil War
(1:05:36) – Ulysses S. Grant
(1:07:45) – Ku Klux Klan
(1:19:27) – Robert E. Lee
(1:27:11) – Abraham Lincoln
(1:42:18) – If the south won
(1:50:54) – Hypocrisy of the Founders
(1:56:56) – John Wilkes Booth
(2:00:11) – White supremacy
(2:05:34) – Disputed elections
(2:15:56) – Politics
(2:24:20) – Donald Trump and Joe Biden
(2:37:06) – January 6th
(3:02:04) – Hope for the future