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Ep. 458

Did you know that despite all the noise about shrinking marketing teams, data shows the proportion of marketing roles hasn’t really changed?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the future of marketing teams, why the shape—not the size—of your team is what really matters, and how you can thrive in the new landscape. Learn more on why marketing roles aren’t disappearing, how AI is reshaping teams (not replacing them), and why pod models and zero-to-one marketers are key to the next wave of marketing success.

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• Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

• Claude https://claude.ai/

• ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/

• Codex https://openai.com/codex/

• Opus 5.5 https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5

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